Obama is a Fraud
by bob
(Boulder, Colo)
Obama is a fraud & he knows it! He studied Constitutional law & has professed to teach the subject at Harvard.*
In any event, his daddy was a Kenyan...Fact.
Our constitution is clear that both parants must be a U.S. citizen...Fact.*
Obama knows he is usurping the highest office in our nation. Pretending to be eligible for Commander in Chief of our country is laughable.
I now understand as of this date (3/3/09), there are over 90 current & retired military personel suing B.O. to basically put up or shut up. Our military chain of command is in real deep trouble.
All of Obama's military orders are meaningless & without any legal right. The big showdown is beginning to unravel.
I charge that any military orders followed by any of our service members from B.O. is nothing less than aiding & abbeting a traitor...
B.O.is a fraud and a traitor & Congress knows these facts.
Ed. note: Bob, thank you for kicking off our discussion of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as President and Commander in Chief.
There are a couple of points in your comments we need to clarify.
First, *Barack Obama graduated from Harvard Law School, but taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago law school.
Next, *there is not a Constitutional requirement that both parents be U.S. citizens in order for a child to have U.S. citizenship at birth.
Rather, the Constitutional requirement that presents the eligibility issue for Barack Obama is the requirement that he be a "natural born" citizen.
The issue has many parts:
First, there is no definition, either in the Constitution itself, or in the documents surrounding the drafting and adoption of the Constitution, of the term "natural born" citizen.
Neither has the Supreme Court ever ruled on a definition of the term -- which is why there have been a number of lawsuits filed attempting to get the SCOTUS to consider the question. Thus far, none of the suits has been granted a hearing by the Court.
This issue is far too complicated to explain here. Please see this very thoroughly researched article by Jill Pryor titled "The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility . . . ," published in the Yale Law Journal (Vol. 97, 1988, pp. 881–899).
Pryor discusses the origin of the phrase "natural born citizen," its possible meaning, and proposes a solution to resolve more than 200 years of uncertainty about the meaning of the phrase. If you're interested in this issue, read the article.
The next problem is the uncertainty surrounding the place of birth. Obama claims he was born in Hawaii, yet his father's living relatives in Kenya, including his grandfather's surviving wife (who is not Barack's biological grandmother), claim he was born in Kenya.
There is an obvious reason for those claims by each side. If Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, then he is clearly a "native-born" U.S. citizen and his mother's age and father's citizenship is irrelevant, so he needs to claim Hawaiian birth.
And the obvious pride of his Kenyan relatives in his success would make it understandable that they want to claim him as a "native son" of Kenya.
Is "native-born" the same as "natural born?" See the article linked above.
This controversy has been fueled by Obama's refusal to produce a "Certificate of Live Birth," the long-form birth certificate which would contain more details of his birth, including the hospital in which he was born, and the name of the attending physician. This information could be pursued to verify the fact of his birth in Hawaii.
The only document produced by the Obama campaign is the short-form "Certification of Live Birth," a document which lists the place of birth simply as Honolulu. At the time Barack Obama was born, in August 1961, Hawaii issued such a document to Hawaii residents to register the birth of a child born outside the state of Hawaii. So the production of THIS document by the Obama campaign rather than a "Certificate of Live Birth" adds additional fuel to the fire of speculation.
Then Obama's sister Maya has stated that he was born in two different hospitals. According to World Net Daily, "In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow Newsletter, Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was born at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children," which is just a couple of blocks from the home of Obama's grandmother.
The Buffalo News carried an interview with Buffalo area resident Barbara Nelson, who says she was
On the other hand, Sarah Obama, who is not Obama’s biological grandmother, but another wife of his grandfather (and thus in Kenya is considered to be his grandmother) claims that she was present at his birth in Mombasa. It seems likely that this is just an attempt to exaggerate his Kenyan ties. In 1961, when world travel was much more expensive and not as commonplace or as easy as it is today, it seems highly unlikely that Obama's 18-year-old mother would have flown more than 10,000 miles to give birth in Kenya. It is even more unlikely that the airlines or her doctors would have permitted it, unless she went to Kenya several months prior to her due date. It is also unlikely her parents would have permitted it.
One blogger has suggested that the birth certificate issue is a red herring, and that Obama is withholding it deliberately, to get people worked up over the birth certificate and ignoring the other issues surrounding his citizenship. Then once the birth certificate is proclaimed as the definitive answer, he will produce the original birth certificate as a sort of "trump card," effectively dodging the other issues. Interesting theory.
Is someone with dual citizenship excluded by the term "natural born citizen?"
Obama's father's was a native of Kenya. At the time of young Barack's birth, Kenya was a British colony and his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) under the British Nationality Act of 1948, which was still in effect. Thus, by virtue of his father's status as a CUKC, he also obtained that status at birth. When Kenya declared its independence two years later, those Kenyans who had previously been CUKC became Kenya citizens. At that point, did Barack's father convey Kenya citizenship to him? Or was the father's status at birth the only relevant factor?
Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, and thus a "native-born citizen" from the time of his birth, we must also know whether he lost his American citizenship at any time after that.
There have been reports that Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship after his mother married Lolo Soetoro and took young Barack to Indonesia. Indonesian school records indicate that he was registered as "Barry Soetoro," an Indonesian Muslim and son of Lolo Soetoro. School records would not be definitive records for the purpose of establishing citizenship, and it is easy to understand why life would have been much simpler for young Barry in Indonesia with such information in school records.
But the legal questions remain: Was "Barry" adopted by Lolo Soetoro? Did he acquire Indonesian citizenship? Does that affect his U.S. citizenship?
Between the time he left Occidental College in L.A. and reported to Columbia University in New York, "Barry" reportedly visited his mother and sister in Indonesia, and then visited college friends in their native Pakistan for three weeks. At that time (1981), Pakistan was under military rule, and U.S. citizens and other non-Muslims were not permitted to enter the country. It would have been much easier for him to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.
How would a young man of age 20 have an Indonesian passport without Indonesian citizenship? According to Indonesian laws at the time, one could not have dual citizenship. But U.S. law does not preclude dual citizenship, so under U.S. law, he would not have forfeited U.S. citizenship by acquiring Indonesian citizenship, unless he renounced U.S. citizenship, and there is no evidence that he did so. But, does dual citizenship make him not a "natural born" citizen? See the Yale Law Journal article.
Obama returned to Hawaii at age 10, where he lived with his maternal grandparents until his graduation from high school. Did he maintain his Indonesian passport from age 10 on? Till when?
Then there's the issue of Obama refusing to release his records from Occidental College. Some have claimed that's because he was doing too much partying and had less than stellar grades. Others have suggested that the real issue at Occidental is that perhaps he registered as a foreign student. Why?
Also, Barack Obama’s record at the Illinois Bar Association, where it asks for "Other names," says "None." What happened to Barry Soetoro? It's unrelated, but indicates continuing efforts to obscure his true past.
There are far more questions than answers. Obama could answer them all by producing existing official records.
Why won't he? What is he hiding?
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